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#5740 - 01/31/08 12:45 PM RAM or CPU
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I am lagging on certain plugs..such as Mazz. What do I need:
Better CPU (currently a AMD Sempron 3300+ 2.0GHz OEM Processor)
More RAM, I only have 1 stick in. Kingston..I actually forget what I put in. It is 1 gig I think. 333 or 400mhz.
Next year I am building a new PC, so I am not planning on spending a lot on this one.
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#5742 - 01/31/08 01:14 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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I never thought I would say this... but buy a mac. I used to have all sorts of problems with my old PC (though I played on it for 7+ years). THen a HD crash left me pissed off.

I bought a dual core IMAC 19" and absoulutely love it!!! I still build pcs unfortunetly but MAC is the way to go..

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#5743 - 01/31/08 01:21 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: zagon]
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Had a old mac..went to PC for the games. I may go back to Mac..but currently I have this PC I use for games and internet..
so going out and buying a new mac would solve my problem....
but I am not throwing out the cash this year.
Hence the question I asked..which do I need to run Myth smoother?
Thx for your answer though, it helped a lot! ;\)
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#5744 - 01/31/08 01:42 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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It's actually not Myth, just your reaction time...

Something is amiss if you are lagging with those specs though...perhaps to many other things running chewing up ram? Or perhaps connection lag?

-DA

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#5747 - 01/31/08 02:01 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: deathsavatar]
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LOL...you nailed it.

I just bought some more RAM..its cheap. If that doesn't work..screw it.
Connection is great.
Thanks guys.

Get on more DA!
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#5750 - 01/31/08 04:15 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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well look at your plugins folder .... if you have
4 gigs of plugs in there... maybe try trimming it down
to say 300 meg then see if thing s
improve...

not sure how Myth caches these plugs though i know both my mac and pc seem to be smoother with fewer plugs in the folder....
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#5755 - 01/31/08 06:08 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: point]
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1 gig of plugs installed, I may have to try that..thx point.
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#5763 - 02/01/08 12:16 AM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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I have 5gb of plugins installed and a much inferior computer to yours and I don't have any plugin lag.

Try changing rendering mode, toggling DirectInput, and failing that, using the Classic executable.
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#5768 - 02/01/08 08:02 AM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: eddaweaver]
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Thx Sharp....I don't get it really. My 7 year old laptop doesn't bug..but this one does. Like I said..only on certain plugs..about 10 minutes into Mazz..about 5 minutes into Keep.
thx again.
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#5776 - 02/01/08 02:39 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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It's your video card choking up. The comp is just fine otherwise.
Any newer cheapo video card will fix you right up.

Think about it, the more projectiles that pile up (Mazz) the more the video card has to process. Old card with little VRAM = choking on too much stuff.

ou might want to limit your FPS in prefs to 30. If it's not limited it will constantly try to max itself out. Holding a steady 30 fps lets your comp do other things too instead of freaking out trying to render 300 fps for zero gain.
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#5791 - 02/02/08 12:07 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: gonad]
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Hmm, I think he's merely having a glitch. Mb it's the driver to the video card that needs changing, or mb it's the type of card, I don't know.

But I know this: I never have that kind of lag on my old dual G4 450Mhz with only 16MB video card (can you believe it?). Haven't done Mazz on that lately, but Keep, sure, and never a problem. So I think it's a bug-type thing, incompatible card or old drivers.

That old G4 has a 4.4 GB plugin folder, so that takes care of that theory, too.

Also, the FPS are not set to max out at 30, so it tries and tries to go as many fps as possible, and still none of the problems experienced on iceyeti's much newer machine, above, that is having such dire problems.

Mb all this points to the "get a Mac" theory!

My dual 2.0Ghz G5 is even better \:\) 1680x1050 res playing Myth is sweet!

PS, Zagon, you must have a 20" iMac -- there's no 19" one.
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#5793 - 02/02/08 02:40 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: frumius]
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NVIDIA GeForce 6200
256MB
64-bitDDR II

That is my video card...pretty basic. I will try the 30fps..I didn't know you could change that. It usually tells me it is around 300 up in the corner.
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#5794 - 02/02/08 03:24 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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How in the hell do you make it 30fps? I don't see how I can. Thx
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#5797 - 02/02/08 06:33 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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 Originally Posted By: iceyeti
NVIDIA GeForce 6200
256MB
64-bitDDR II
That is my video card...pretty basic.

Well, that's 37,000 (or so) times better than the one working fine in my old G4 (16 MB video ram). Do check for updated drivers. Maybe someone would have some ideas at ProjectMagma?

 Originally Posted By: iceyeti
How in the hell do you make it 30fps? I don't see how I can. Thx


This one I know. Before you log onto mariusnet, go to the Preferences in Myth, and you 'll see a check box for "Max FPS" in the first Prefs screen. It's in the Graphics section right above where you choose what kind of Rendering you want.

Good luck!
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#5808 - 02/03/08 06:38 AM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: frumius]
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No gots cool looking buTTon.
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#5812 - 02/03/08 02:45 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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Because you are not using the latest update 1.6 (build 290). Find it at the Tain.
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#5813 - 02/03/08 03:23 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: pyro]
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omgz..thank you.
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#5822 - 02/03/08 06:44 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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If you didn't have the latest 1.6, then maybe you don't need to do the 30fps max thing. Running a beta 1.6 with 1.6 users is not always good.
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#5831 - 02/04/08 07:45 AM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: pyro]
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I do have the lastest 1.6 and I still don't have that box. I installed classic and not windowed..perhaps that is why?
I have bugs with the windowed version.
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#5832 - 02/04/08 10:42 AM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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 Originally Posted By: iceyeti
I do have the lastest 1.6 and I still don't have that box. I installed classic and not windowed..perhaps that is why?

You definitely have a Prefs screen with fewer choices than I do. You mean you have to choose between two different versions of Myth in order to have windowed mode? That's weird. I think it's uncouth!

If you need to install an entirely different application just to have windowed mode, I have no idea what's going on.

Mb it is time for anew computer, like Zagon said ;\)
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#5835 - 02/04/08 02:20 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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 Originally Posted By: iceyeti
I installed classic and not windowed..perhaps that is why?


Yes. What version of Windows are you using? If you have issues with the windowed version then you probably don't have Windows XP.

 Originally Posted By: frumius
You mean you have to choose between two different versions of Myth in order to have windowed mode? That's weird. ...If you need to install an entirely different application just to have windowed mode, I have no idea what's going on.


Macs also have two different versions of Myth2 to pick from, not just Window users. It is not two things to install but one or the other just like Mac users as well.

 Originally Posted By: frumius
Mb it is time for anew computer, like Zagon said ;\)


Never!

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#5840 - 02/04/08 07:42 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: pyro]
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It is my impression that the two versions for Mac are for either PowerPC processor machines (processors made by IBM and Motorola), or the Intel-based machines (processors made by, well, Intel). The two require different code.

I don't think there's a version for a windowed mode, and a separate version for a non-windowed mode. What is the reason for that on the Windows side?
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#5846 - 02/05/08 03:40 AM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: pyro]
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I do have XP..I installed windowed version of 1.6 and couldn't Gesture click....I think it was Iron that told me to install the classic.
GC worked fine after I reinstalled it with classic.
I am installing another stick of RAM today..so I will have 2 gigs. If this doesn't help..I am quitting Myth for 1 day.
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#5851 - 02/05/08 11:22 AM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: iceyeti]
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 Originally Posted By: iceyeti

I am installing another stick of RAM today..so I will have 2 gigs. If this doesn't help..I am quitting myth for 1 day.

Who0T! A one-day retirement match between iceyeti and the evil gremlins of technology!

GO iceyeti!
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#5855 - 02/05/08 05:35 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: frumius]
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 Originally Posted By: frumius
I don't think there's a version for a windowed mode, and a separate version for a non-windowed mode. What is the reason for that on the Windows side?


It requires different code and it would seem that not all windows users can use the windowed version. I have the windowed version but I don't actually use the windowed mode. Windowed version also has things classic doesn't like the FPS max feature.

If you are a Windows XP user and have problems with the windowed version, it can be due to the video card drivers you are using. I have an ATI card but have had issues witht he latest ATI drivers, so I switched to Omega drivers and it works way better. They might make drivers for nVidia cards but I am not sure.

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#5880 - 02/06/08 09:45 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: pyro]
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I think the capped FPS option is only available in OpenGL Graphics.
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#5896 - 02/07/08 06:03 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: frumius]
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 Originally Posted By: frumius
It is my impression that the two versions for Mac are for either PowerPC processor machines (processors made by IBM and Motorola), or the Intel-based machines (processors made by, well, Intel). The two require different code.

I don't think there's a version for a windowed mode, and a separate version for a non-windowed mode. What is the reason for that on the Windows side?


There are two builds. One that says Myth II 1.6 and that says Myth II 1.6 (Universal). Both will run under PPC and Intel. Only the Universal build, however, is compiled to run under Intel and PPC. So why even bother having a specific PPC build and separate build that runs on both architectures?
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#5898 - 02/07/08 09:07 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: slugman]
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 Originally Posted By: slugman
There are two builds. One that says Myth II 1.6 and that says Myth II 1.6 (Universal). Both will run under PPC and Intel. Only the Universal build, however, is compiled to run under Intel and PPC. So why even bother having a specific PPC build and separate build that runs on both architectures?


I don;t know if it's an OS or a hardware limitation, but I am not able to run the Universal Build on a G3 PPC Mac with OS X 2.8. I doubleclick it and it does the visual zoomy thing then nothing. No startup screen, no bomb, nothing in the myth_log.txt file. Nada.

I am very happy there is a PPC only build.
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#5900 - 02/07/08 10:04 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: vinylrake]
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hmmm.... I may have gotten that backwards.... I forget which version won't work for me. But one of them doesn't work on my OS X mac. I think it's the UNiversal that _does_ work.
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#5903 - 02/07/08 11:10 PM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: vinylrake]
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Universal requires 10.4 or something like that.
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#5904 - 02/08/08 01:17 AM Re: RAM or CPU + Windowed Mode [Re: deathsavatar]
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As long as we've touched on Windowed Mode, I'll share what I have available on this version of Myth. I'm running the PPC version (1.8 MB, as opposed to the 10+Mb for the Universal version) on ye olde G5 with OS X 10.5.

I actually have a couple options for windowed gaming on Myth, which I can choose from within the Myth application.

Here's what I do and see for windowed mode:
Launch Myth with Option held down, bringing up the sort of pre-Myth dialog box shown below (Myth has always as long as I've known it had this dialog box available in this way, but the options have grown with the updates).

Choose Windowed Mode in the dialog box above and hit OK

Now I'm in Myth. Go to Preferences and do NOT choose Windowed mode, see below.
Also note the Max FPS box.


This allows me to play in full screen, but have the window when I'm in the pre-game, post-game, and in the lobby. It's the best. Full-screen play, windowed in between games. So I can surf the web while people babble at me. (Not really, I pay attention!)
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#5907 - 02/08/08 09:38 AM Re: RAM or CPU [Re: deathsavatar]
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10.4 - that's the issue. thnx for the reminder.
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