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#2444 - 10/28/07 08:18 PM
Debating Gods existence?
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liger
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Registered: 09/27/07
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What can you refute here?
What you think is true here?
http://every504student.com/isthere.php
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#2445 - 10/28/07 09:40 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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propagandhi
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Three Daggers
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 24
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The Earth...its size is perfect.
Life exists on a planet which can support life, this does not suggest the presence of an intelligent designer. Had Earth not been suitable for life there would be no life on it to marvel at this coincidence, so this state of "perfection" will exist anywhere there is life.
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it.
This entire section is stupid. Color, odor, and taste are all constructs of the human mind. At certain frequencies water has "colour", that is it is opaque, and odor and taste are responses constructed by our brain, they do not reflect any intrinsic natural property of an element or compound.
The rest of the section points out a number of properties of water, which are in no way unique to water. The capilary action used by plants to transport water through their bodies applies to numerous liquids.
2. The human brain's complexity shows a higher intelligence behind it.
This is the stupidest section in the article (showing my bias here, but that's ok). The brain is indeed complex, but it shows no order or functional structure whatsoever. To suggest that it was designed by something resembling a human in any way is asinine. Functionality manifests itself in seemingly random ways, with large poorly optimized sections of the brain performing simple tasks, small highly optimized sctions of the brain performing complex tasks, redundant areas of the brain performing no task at all, and the opposite happening in other areas!
Indeed, this redundancy and non functionality is found throughout the human body and the animal kingdom generally. Read the Origin of the Species if you're in doubt, it would require too much space to do any justice to the beavy of available evidence. Suffice it to say, there is no evidence that any organism, human or other, shows evidence of having been designed in a finished state and not evolved in at iterative fashion over millions of years...
"Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
Lies
Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA.
Stupid lies. There is a tremendous amount of redundant information in the human genome. Likely inherited from an incomprehendibly long lineage.
To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God.
To state with certainty that the Earth is round, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people whoe are convinced that the Earth is flat.
[quote]We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him./quote]
If you've got some direct evidence of God "calling" you, I'd love to hear it.
The rest of the article goes on to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ, none of the evidence presented is at all conclusive re: a non-random creation of the Earth and life on it.
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#2451 - 10/29/07 07:21 AM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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iceyeti
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Swords with Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 382
Loc: Ohio
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I am not going to debate this in the Myth II discussion forum.
I do believe in GOD.
I feel there is more proof that there is a GOD than not.
I am more than willing to discuss this further somewhere else.
Your a noob for posting this here and I label myself one for even replying to it.
oh..yeah..I didn't read the article all the way, based on several of the questions...it looks like someone is just copying Q&A from the real author and not giving credit. That irrirates me.
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#2459 - 10/29/07 02:23 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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belgianbonzai
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Crossed Swords
Registered: 03/31/07
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Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. This entire section is stupid. Color, odor, and taste are all constructs of the human mind. At certain frequencies water has "colour", that is it is opaque, and odor and taste are responses constructed by our brain, they do not reflect any intrinsic natural property of an element or compound. The rest of the section points out a number of properties of water, which are in no way unique to water. The capilary action used by plants to transport water through their bodies applies to numerous liquids.
Also there's some sulfur (i think, been a couple years since i saw this in school) based bacteria living even on this planet. So water isn't a necessity for life.
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#2478 - 10/29/07 07:41 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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vinylrake
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Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 375
Loc: East Coast USA
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I am American, and I think it's pretty 1950's of you to assume that all Americans are going to have a 'christian' view of what god is.
But, even IF that were true (which it's not), there's a pretty wide range of understanding of what 'god' is, even in the Christian church.
So, define what you mean by 'god' then we can talk about your 'proof'.
Edited by vinylrake (10/29/07 07:42 PM)
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#2513 - 10/31/07 07:20 AM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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iceyeti
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Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 382
Loc: Ohio
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If your brainwashed as a child..that is your problem. I am not.
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#2518 - 10/31/07 10:31 AM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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iceyeti
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Swords with Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 382
Loc: Ohio
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Matter of opinion. I have never seen a baby pigeon and I grew up in the city...but I believe they exist.
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#2533 - 10/31/07 08:29 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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iceyeti
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Swords with Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 382
Loc: Ohio
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Brine shrimp brutality always hits a high note...poor sea monkeys
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#2710 - 11/08/07 02:39 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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spider
 | Aki |
Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 163
Loc: new jersey
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#2717 - 11/08/07 05:22 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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jasiu
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Registered: 04/06/07
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Finally a debate!!! 
I tried reading this articule and it's just such a load of BS. I've actually taken part in quite many such discussions (my ex-gf was a believer) and just about every argument other people posed there was better than the stuff in the link. First of all, if anyone would like to even begin proving a god's existance, or God's existance form the christain point of view, you'd have to be aware that christianity is not a religion for simple minds. It was develop by philosophers, poeple who knew at least two ancient languages and based their asumpoins on ancient philosophers like Plato for example and those so called Fathers of the Church had a very abstract approach to the matter. They had aslo tried to prove God's existance. For example Saint Thomas said that God has to exist beacuse everything that exists has to have a reason to do so, and the ultimate reason is God (more or less, I tried to put it simple). You can easily contradict him just by asking why does anything need a reason to exist? Blaise Pascal a few hundred years later, explained that even if there is no God it pays to believe in Him, because if there is a God you will be rewarded and if there is no God you lose nothing. Again wrong--if there is no God then there is no afterlife, so I lose na awful lot of prescious time that I have living here. You could go on and on like this provided that you have a really vast philosophical knowledge (I know I don't), so giving arguments like "so many poeple believe in God, so He has to exist" is just making an idiot out of yourself. Not to mention that it sounds similar to that joke: "eat poo, billions of flies can't be wrong".
I'd also like to say that I do not believe in God and I'm not going to change my mind. It also makes me sad that so many poeple do believie in God, because they simply use Him as an excuse for all their inability to live their lives, make decisions, or just go for what they want - they always say "It's God's will..." or "Maybe God will help me with my problems..." or some other BS. Basically it all comes down to one thing - most poeple cannot just cope with the fact that, if there is no God then their existance becomes deprived of any familiar point, and they simply are unable to make that point themselves.
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#3029 - 11/20/07 12:12 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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Akira1
Two Daggers
Registered: 10/13/07
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my problem with intelligent design is, it says ''oh this is to complex and perfect, god must have created it'' You need to take into account that it was a process of 4 billion years... I take the view that when the conditions are right, something will occur, so when the conditions were right, the first uni-cellular organisms appeared on this planet, and it has been a step-step process of evolution since. I think its just to easy to say, oh a God created it, thats it.
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#3118 - 11/23/07 02:09 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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Dude100a
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Registered: 11/21/07
Posts: 1
Loc: Florida
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Not everyone here really understands what Christians believe. There are many better arguments for Christianity than the ones given here. Also, the points in the article are not all very good, but they are not the only reasons to believe in God. And you can't prove that there is or is not a God. But there is very good evidence for it.
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#4996 - 01/03/08 11:11 AM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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iceyeti
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Swords with Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 382
Loc: Ohio
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Congrats on restarting a very old thread. Little slow there bud? 11-23-07
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#5026 - 01/03/08 10:02 PM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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vinylrake
| | vinylrake ~OoH~ |
Swords with Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 375
Loc: East Coast USA
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Well it may be an old thread, but one could argue the topic is still open since it's not like the issue was resolved or anything.
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#5042 - 01/04/08 07:17 AM
Re: Debating Gods existence?
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iceyeti
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Swords with Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 382
Loc: Ohio
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The issue will never be solved Rake. Each side will believe what they want. Even the open minded ones.
Hey, when you die...perhaps you can come back to the boards and inform us all if someting is there or not?
Jesus was born in Dec. Didn't die in Dec. (so the story goes..the date is debatable as well)
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