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#24263 - 06/01/10 08:56 AM Calling out a cancer to the community.
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ProjectMagma has obtained information that the user known as Renwood has engaged in the for-profit sale of original Myth II: Soulblighter materials, owned by Take Two Interactive. These materials consist of the original 3D model files used to render the unit sprites used by the game.

The buyer of the models is a member of the Myth Community. His purpose in buying the models was to give them to ProjectMagma, in the hopes that we could use them for a future improvement. What the buyer did not know was that ProjectMagma already possesses these models, and furthermore, that Renwood had obtained them from us in the first place. Renwood took advantage of the fact that our possession of the models was not public knowledge in order to scam the member into buying them. Not only did Renwood conduct an illegal sale of Take Two's property, but deliberately misrepresented the origin of the models and scammed a member of the Myth Community in order to make a quick buck.

A little backstory seems appropriate here. The models were obtained by ProjectMagma in 2009 for use in a future enhancement to Myth II, currently planned for Myth II 1.8. Their existence was kept secret because we did not want to make a premature announcement about a project that has an unknown completion date. Renwood obtained the models through ProjectMagma for the stated purpose of helping ProjectMagma with Myth II 1.8. The models were given under a restrictions agreement including nondisclosure and prohibiting redistribution. Renwood later broke the agreement when he used the models without permission in his mod, The Wind Age. We did not pursue any action at that time because, unfortunately, the agreement had been verbal and not written and we could not prove anything. Renwood denies any agreement ever existed. Also at the time we felt it was more productive to just ignore him and avoid any drama, especially since Renwood had announced his plans to retire from Myth after January 2010.

Ignoring the problem is no longer an option. Since Renwood's sale of the models, It is now clear to us that he is not retired, but is actively continuing his pattern of malicious and illegal behavior. ProjectMagma does not condone these actions. Therefore, we have no choice: Renwood will be IP banned from The Tain forums, from uDogs hotline (hl.udogs.net) and from the MariusNet server.
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#24265 - 06/01/10 09:33 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
drjekyll Offline
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but now whos going to offer ridiculous scoring interpretations for mwc?
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#24266 - 06/01/10 09:36 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
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gotta chime in here, since the laundry is getting some air. A few months back, I almost opted to leave mariusnet for a good long while after enduring weeks of endless "pm" conversations (albeit, mostly one-sided) wherein Renwood was constantly trying to solicit money from me as an "investor" in an upcoming version of myth.

His position was often one of "feel sorry for me and ooga, because we work(ed) tirelessly on improving myth for all these players, and none of them seem to care - while we can't even afford food, or to pay our rent." Having started a few businesses over the years, I tried to convince him that he was not leaving me with a feeling of confidence, essentially urging me to "invest" in something that had no marketing plan, no foundation in legitimacy, and was being run by two guys who were soon to be homeless and hungry.

He even mentioned my commissioning "myth action figures" in order to generate interest and buzz in the project.

I am glad that you have taken a public stand against his actions, since they clearly do not fall under the well-considered guidelines of the server and it's members.

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#24268 - 06/01/10 10:17 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: pangea]
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is he banned from mariusnet then as well?
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#24269 - 06/01/10 10:41 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: babychesty]
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"Therefore, we have no choice: Renwood will be IP banned from The Tain forums, from uDogs hotline (hl.udogs.net) and from the MariusNet server."
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#24270 - 06/01/10 11:08 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: MNA_Om]
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hey someone should let take 2 know what happened so they realize we still love them and respect their rights, maybe they'll start advertising for the community once they realize we still love this freakn game to death and still wish to respect their wishes.

Edited by golden_god (06/01/10 11:08 AM)

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#24271 - 06/01/10 11:10 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: MNA_Om]
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1. Who did he sucker into buying these models?

2. LOL

3. It's hard not to pity him, they did spend long hours on Myth 4, but it's also difficult to empathize, when it's pretty obvious anyone pursuing such a project and actually expecting to see a profit is slightly insane.

4. For the record, anyone producing myth action figures or other myth merchandise has a buyer in me. I would be damn tempted to collect them all. My myth hat, and my myth t-shirt, and my myth action figure collection, while preventing from ever finding a girlfriend would be well worth the money.
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#24274 - 06/01/10 01:31 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: utternoob2]
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I thought Renwood was the leader of the TWA project, and that the high-quality models were made by his team and for TWA. So how he could 'steal' anything isn't really clear to me.

And what the hell did he sell?

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#24275 - 06/01/10 01:46 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: killerking]
plataypus Administrator Offline
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The models weren't made by Ren or that team, they were made - if I recall the details correctly - by Bungie as part of the original development of Myth II.
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#24276 - 06/01/10 03:19 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
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not to condone what renwood did - b/c obviously it was illegal and unethical -- but who the hell actually paid for myth unit models? :\
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#24280 - 06/01/10 04:14 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: taint]
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Read the article. "Who" bought them is irrelevant. The person who bought them did so in order to give the models to ProjectMagma to help Magma with the next version of Myth.
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#24281 - 06/01/10 05:14 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: MNA_Om]
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I read the article and understand the 'reasons' given for purchasing said electronic images. However, the reasons for purchase notwithstanding, it was still a really stupid choice on everyone's part.

And I do not think that the identity of the person who bought them is irrelevant. The accused have the right to confront their accuser.

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#24285 - 06/01/10 08:02 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: taint]
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This isn't a democracy, neither is it a court of law. There is no bill of rights. The myth community, Project Magma and Mariusnet aren't a court of law, there are no rights involved at all. Magma and mnet are privately run enterprises, their owners have the right to include or exclude whomever they wish for whatever reasons they wish.

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#24286 - 06/01/10 08:04 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
dropkick Offline
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good riddance.



also, whoever paid renwood was probably some well-meaning (if not clear-thinking) person that wanted to contribute to the future of myth. a nice gesture, but if this game/community is really ever to grow into something else, and bigger, it will take nothing short of a sustained and focused effort to bring it there.


Edited by dropkick (06/01/10 08:11 PM)

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#24288 - 06/01/10 08:35 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: dropkick]
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I hope it wasn't a lot /:
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#24289 - 06/02/10 04:10 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
drjekyll Offline
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renwood deserves a break. using plagiarised materials for profit is just his way of compensating for his complete lack of talent.
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#24290 - 06/02/10 07:25 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: drjekyll]
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It isn't merely plagiarism, it is fraud.


Had he just copied the work of those items and given them away as his, THAT would be plagiarism.

What he engaged in was the sale of someone else's intellectual property for his own financial gain.
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#24291 - 06/02/10 07:43 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
drjekyll Offline
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in renwoods defence, most people would probably resort to fraud if they too were an odious, despicable cretin with no chance of ever getting laid, gainful employment, or moving out of their mother's basement. just ask oogabooga.

Edited by drjekyll (06/02/10 07:45 AM)

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#24292 - 06/02/10 08:54 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: drjekyll]
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not to make light of the situation, but I have to say: Ooga, he may have a point
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#24293 - 06/02/10 09:47 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
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This was all very "Napster" of him.

Does this mean I should immediately halt production of a 3-ft tall Trow statue that I've commissioned from an artist/waitress/actress in Greenwich Village?

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#24294 - 06/02/10 10:37 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: pangea]
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As long as you aren't planning on selling it you should be ok.
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#24295 - 06/02/10 11:08 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: MNA_Om]
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I was thinking of using it in my rose garden to scare away chipmunks. I just haven't yet chosen a color for its diaper.
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#24297 - 06/02/10 02:59 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: pangea]
stiky5150 Offline
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someone please please take legal action against this idiot lmao
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#24298 - 06/02/10 03:09 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
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but now who is going to make huge total conversions that no one will ever play?!?!
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#24299 - 06/02/10 03:26 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: blade1]
MNA_Om Administrator Offline
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This news post-topic isn't intended to be a 'bash Renwood' discussion.


It's also pretty lame to bash someone in a place where you know that person can't respond. If your dangly-bits aren't so microscopic that you need the hubble telescope to see them, at least take your cheap shots where the person can respond.

btw, this remark isn't unique to Blade1's comment, his was just the the most recent.

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#24301 - 06/02/10 04:11 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: MNA_Om]
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 Originally Posted By: MNA_Om
This news post-topic isn't intended to be a 'bash Renwood' discussion.


It's also pretty lame to bash someone in a place where you know that person can't respond. If your dangly-bits aren't so microscopic that you need the hubble telescope to see them, at least take your cheap shots where the person can respond.

btw, this remark isn't unique to Blade1's comment, his was just the the most recent.


oh but ooga can, and you can bet that when ren is attacked he will be there in a heartbeat to defend his brother in arms.

I also want to know who paid for it and how much was paid for this. Hell, I even demand to know. This sint democracy blah blah blah go ahead and just never tell me then, we dont need a long explanation for obvious things like this.

I hope whoever it was sues him for money back and that he's nailed for fraud! Then again, that might open the door for magma to get in trouble for letting him have these things in the first place, security breach, blah blah... so i doubt we'll hear much about it.

ps @ renwood (via ooga, you know you will): have fun with that money, i hope you enjoy the court dates!

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#24302 - 06/02/10 04:35 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: addictwtji]
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#24304 - 06/02/10 07:38 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: plataypus]
Kil Offline
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Registered: 10/22/07
Posts: 24
Newsflash:

Anyone stupid enough to buy something from Renwood, let alone listen to him for more than 60 seconds, should be banned from life.

Hold the reins tighter on this dead horse, boys, you're making me care. (noone cares)

Sincerely,
The Voice of Reason

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#24305 - 06/02/10 07:48 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: Kil]
stiky5150 Offline
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OM you were talking smack on brandon hex long after you cut him off, so please be quiet with your hypocrity
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#24307 - 06/02/10 10:15 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: stiky5150]
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#24309 - 06/03/10 01:00 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: MNA_Om]
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I knew after making that post I'd get some snobby om reply that was full of contradictions and other om / vinylrake like stupidities.

The news topic reads "calling out a cancer to the community," you're right - this does not invite bashing. Please direct your telescope towards your brain and let me know if you locate intelligent thought.

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#24310 - 06/03/10 07:05 AM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: blade1]
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This news post is not an open 'invite' for people to just generally bash Renwood.

Try to stay on topic.

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#24312 - 06/03/10 02:22 PM Re: Calling out a cancer to the community. [Re: MNA_Om]
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Topic closed. The topic does not require comments.
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