'anything made by OOH' - that's BS. other than me (and zak) no one in ooh is remotely abusive

that's like saying: other than the nazis, nobody in 1940's germany was remotely warlike.

he's saying that when average joes like nuke refer to abusive players, they're usually referring to the bulk of the community into that statement, including many productive ones that contribute to keep this engine chugging.

...and by the way, vinylrake, you're exactly the kind of newbie that will never ask for help.

wow mentioning the nazis is a really great way to make your point, did you think of that all by yourself? sonix's logic skills are apparently only slightly better than yours - i was just pointing out to him that he can't claim 'anything made by ooh is made by an abusive player' when i've never heard the person who made 99% of ooh creations called 'abusive'. obviously sonix has no facts to back him up - that's what i was calling him on. he still has YET to name a single map. i named one for him but he has yet to come up with one on his own.



Unless by 'keep this engine chugging' you mean 'keep the game lobby a place to abuse newbies' I'd love to see some evidence to back this statement up. In my experience, the people spending hours a day playing and being abusive to newbies and other players they don't like don't have either the time (too busy playing online), the talent, OR the determination (most are way too ADHD-afflicted) to actually CREATE things.



If by newbie you mean skill-wise, I'll accept being called 'newbie', but I've been playing since 1998 so am not technically a newbie. And you could ask any mwc captains/coaches i've played with whether i am open to learning / practicing / improving my game. (OMG I HAV REFRENZ!) but don't let reality interrupt your preconceptions.

I have no idea why this conversation is being steered towards map makers vs supposedly "big bad skilled abusive players," but back to talking about newbies, the point still stands that this is a team game, and newbies often do not play as part of a team. etc. etc. etc.

wow mentioning the nazis is a really great way to make your point, did you think of that all by yourself?

Sonix.


"Hvergelmir" was made by a TEAM of people (Milk Man, Alpha, Clem, Ares, Cydonian, SiliconDream, RedPhoenix) none of whom afaik have reputations as abusive players (re: Clem, see above 'abrasive' vs. 'abusive' and 'forum personality' vs. 'player behavior')

These players only get abused because of the attitude they bring into a game... they come in there and are like, "yo i suck and will probably lose the game for you guys but too f-ing bad, deal with it." Players like this will not listen to reason. I can't count the times that I've had a newb randomly cap my team, and offered good trade/distribution advice, only to have said newb tell me to f### myself and then get the worst trade possible and keep the best units for himself, virtually guaranteeing a loss for the team.

On the flipside, I've seen a few new players come into the game and be very humble, saying they would only like a few units, as that is all they can handle... they have asked for advice and guidance, etc etc. THESE are the new players that last... the ones that don't become a target for abuse, because they bring a positive and humble attitude into the game, and actually show a desire to learn. No one on myth will berate a person like that for not playing like a pro.

LOL!

Now to put you out of your misery:

Poison Holiday.

I also don't take much stock into this, because Nuke has a problem with most ww2ers. He's very abrasive and rubs ww2er the wrong way, and a lot of times on purpose. Then when they react, he's like "I told you! ww2ers are all mean jerks!" And I think this thread is just a continuation of this. I know players have picked on you in the past Nuke, but just let it go. Humble yourself, and no one will bother you.

Sounds to me like you have me confused with someone else. I just prefer to play wwii games that are not popular but everyone already knows that. If "rubs the wrong way" means I don't want to play Recon Elim, I'm guilty. You confuse me by saying "you're all mean jerks" with defending myself when peeps decide to pick a fight with me. I am not the one who starts those fights but I will end them quickly with sharp language when someone starts to act like a douchebag towards me in a public forum.
And you are missing the point of this thread, I'm not discussing peeps being abusive towards me, just newer players in general. It's just part of the learning curve I guess and I continue to see it...players, especially newer players love to take free pop shots at the newest players while they are still trying to learn.

nuke is not a mean player by any strech of the imagination, i doubt he made this thread to start arguements, as it is about stoping arguements(the ones with swearing and stuff directed at newer players)...

but I will end them(fights) quickly with sharp language

LOL!

Now to put you out of your misery:

Poison Holiday.

or didn't use the 'proper' formation for their bre-Unor hordes

One central question is whether you have to commit to Myth 100% in order to play without people constantly bitching.

I might be too old for this crowd anyway, see Myth more as something to relax with after work stress than something that is critical to get exactly right every time or else.

lol everyone knows you dont trade for bres...

lol stupid noobs

lol. people who can't read.

lol^2 people who've never played a non-tournament 3rd party map so think getting bre'unor is always optional.

What's your myth name contrary? This is East Wind here - if you need any help let me know.

I'm a total newb, having played some single player, and watched my mate play online games, and i must confess, the speed with which people berate other players is slightly daunting.

Shouldn't there be a newbie/inexperienced area for gaming, where people can play other players without the expectation of actually being a pro?