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#23313 - 02/08/10 02:41 AM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
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dropkick
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#23326 - 02/09/10 04:19 PM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
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mfats
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Registered: 10/18/08
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I was playing a Recon Elim the other day and ended up "listening" to some interesting messages while still in the game, real "eye openers".
The host said he was intimidated to host a team patrol game because of the abusive language he's seen teammates use with each other during/after team wwii games in particular. Just pathetic, a new player is now scared to host a team wwii game just because he doesn't want peeps insulting him, who woulda thunk it?
So not only is abusive language against the mnet rules and just plain rude; it is causing the game to slowly die.
Just had to share this sad information, as I hope this may "enlighten" some players' online conduct.
That's sad. Only people who ever deserve to get picked on are people who've been playing this game for years, and still suck... but yet think they are awesome.
If he got yelled at, he probably did something dumb. If you're a new player, or trying to learn ww2, message or ask a better player to help. Especially one of the less vocal ones. I got good at this game, when i asked other players to help me. I always offer to help new players learn ww2. My style is lag resistance, so it could help some players who have lag issues, but still want to play better.
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#23331 - 02/10/10 12:27 PM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: golden_god]
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steelaxe
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Swords with Shield
Registered: 08/19/09
Posts: 272
Loc: arizona
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in the reg game, usually when you get yelled at by an experienced player, its because they saw you had the potential to win and instead you failed because you haven't figured out how to. what i don't see is new players asking the older players their opinions on what to do in a game or how to improve, and i don't see the older players willing to help ppl who complain as much as them.
im with you here except, i know a lot of newish players and they have, for the most part, asked me to teach them the basics in attack and defense. and im all for helping out, but not every experienced myther feels this way. everyone has their own strategies for every situation, but overall tactics are the same. not many people want to take a few minutes to help someone get better, yet when they mess up, they yell. makes no sense. i still get crap and im a half way decent player. but you could say thats part of the experience, every player gets yelled at at some point, its up to the person to listen what they are yelling about and work on it.. basically, the yelling can help if you know why they are yelling, and noobies, ask for help, and for everyone else, offer help.
if we stop getting more players due to the hatred in game, then soon marius and myth will be empty. and no one wants that.
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#23338 - 02/11/10 11:35 AM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
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Skedaddles
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Registered: 11/04/09
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This thread is all about one problem: how much WWII recon is over-played on mariusnet.com
Dumb ass "WW2" players who only and exclusively play WWII recon are xenophobic morons who suck at Myth 2. They attempt to compensate for their zero skill by insulting people, even the game host as this thread demonstrated.
I've basically given up trying to find a good game of ww2 or b&g on marius because of how entrenched boring and [blam] recon play has become.
And people who have this attitude, hurt and divide the community, just as much as the people you're complaining about.
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#23353 - 02/12/10 11:28 AM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: steelaxe]
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babychesty
Crossed Axes
Registered: 02/05/09
Posts: 103
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Nuh uh. There are plenty of people out there willing to help newbies out. I am one of them. The problem is they don't want help. There was a whole thread dedicated to finding newbies who wanted help, and then helping them. Only a few responded, and of those, only 1 or 2 were actually even serious about improving. I never see them ask questions in games. They either don't care, or are too stubborn to realize they have much to learn.
If they wanted help they would ask for it, get better, and then there wouldn't be a problem in the first place. It takes two to tango.
This is a team game where your gaming experience relies heavily upon your teammates. When your teammates screw up your gaming experience, of course there is a conflict. This isn't rocket science.
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#23354 - 02/12/10 11:42 AM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: babychesty]
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steelaxe
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Swords with Shield
Registered: 08/19/09
Posts: 272
Loc: arizona
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Nuh uh. There are plenty of people out there willing to help newbies out. I am one of them. The problem is they don't want help. There was a whole thread dedicated to finding newbies who wanted help, and then helping them. Only a few responded, and of those, only 1 or 2 were actually even serious about improving. I never see them ask questions in games. They either don't care, or are too stubborn to realize they have much to learn.
most of the people at the tain, myself included would be happy to help teach newbies how to be a better player. ive helped people how to be better at WW2 reg, and other random plugins. but they asked. no one will know if they need/want help unless they announce it. no one will laugh at you if you ask for help, when i first started playing myth, i asked everyday for people to help me get better, and they did. that was a long time ago, but their are still people that will help. come to the tain go to their forms page and make a post asking for help. or even look for me online and ask.
or maybe (a hint to PPE) marius could make a new form list dedicated to people to offer or ask for help with myth. even if you have it under the map making help forms.
like i said before, its not that people aren't willing to help, its that newbies dont ask for it. ask, and you shall receive.
good day!
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#23363 - 02/13/10 12:41 PM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
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kwal
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Sword & Dagger
Registered: 01/25/10
Posts: 37
Loc: Ohio, US
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I'm a former bungie.net player, but new to the marius scene and found the subject of this thread to be to be particularly salient to my experience since getting back online. Since I last played, my myth skills have slowly dissipated to the point where I have been demoted back to the status of "newbie" and that's the perspective I bring. Two notes I have made since joining marius relate to this issue and I have a couple of proposals to possibly remedy the situation (including the aforementioned: ask and you shall receive help.)
Note 1) The percentage of good players is much higher than it used to be. To keep a game going like this for over a decade requires many committed members of the myth community and over the years many of you guys got friggin' good- much better than I remember. (On a side note: kudos to everyone for keeping this game alive. It was great to find myth 2 still being played online after so many years.) Back in the day, there was a much larger pool of players to dilute the talent, so it wasn't hard to find a game with other players at your skill level. Which leads me to my next point...
Note 2) There aren't many games online because of the limited number of people still playing. It's much easier to ask for help (and I have done so) when you play 1v1 or with only a handful of others. However, when everyone online packs into a game of terries trow-which is a blast- it's not conducive to be asking for lessons when you're playing with 13 other people. Those games, in my opinion, are the most fun to play because they are at such a high level, but since they draw many of the more experienced players, newbs run the risk of dragging their team down and subsequently incurring their wrath.
Before I drag this on too long, I echo the calls for players to ask for help when needed/wanted. Cheers to everyone who has offered to help; if you see me online, I would always appreciate any advice or lessons you'd be willing to offer. For those who just want to play casually (myself included), let's host some games and offer an alternative to getting crushed by players beyond our skill level. Don't be exclusionist, but just keep it fun.
Keep this enjoyable for everyone and maybe we can squeeze a few more years out of myth.
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#23369 - 02/13/10 06:43 PM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
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stoopid
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Axes with Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 646
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These players only get abused because of the attitude they bring into a game... they come in there and are like, "yo i suck and will probably lose the game for you guys but too f-ing bad, deal with it." Players like this will not listen to reason. I can't count the times that I've had a newb randomly cap my team, and offered good trade/distribution advice, only to have said newb tell me to f### myself and then get the worst trade possible and keep the best units for himself, virtually guaranteeing a loss for the team.
On the flipside, I've seen a few new players come into the game and be very humble, saying they would only like a few units, as that is all they can handle... they have asked for advice and guidance, etc etc. THESE are the new players that last... the ones that don't become a target for abuse, because they bring a positive and humble attitude into the game, and actually show a desire to learn. No one on myth will berate a person like that for not playing like a pro.
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#23374 - 02/14/10 09:16 AM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: stoopid]
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Monger
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Registered: 11/28/08
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On the flipside, I've seen a few new players come into the game and be very humble, saying they would only like a few units, as that is all they can handle... they have asked for advice and guidance, etc etc. THESE are the new players that last... the ones that don't become a target for abuse, because they bring a positive and humble attitude into the game, and actually show a desire to learn. No one on myth will berate a person like that for not playing like a pro.
This is how I came in last year. I haven't played myth since 2000 and I was amazed at the skill levels and all the little things I had to learn like ghol puss and ctrl-clicking and formation changes. I learned a lot of this by watching and asking. I asked what I should trade for if I capped and asked who I should give units to. I also watched films of matches that I played in and watched how I was defeated to find out what I did wrong or even what players on the other side of the map were doing. And I'm still a bit of a noob, very noob compared to the bigger names.
If we're throwing out suggestions, there are a lot of things to do to help newbies. There can be a newbie night, a newbie game room, maybe someone can do some film tutorials, new logins are marked in the lobby saying they are a newb.
I would love to see this community grow. If myth ever goes open source or shows up on GOG.com, there would be quite an influx of new players.
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#23402 - 02/16/10 02:25 PM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: nuke]
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spider
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Registered: 03/31/07
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#23434 - 02/20/10 11:08 AM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
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cloak1
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Registered: 10/20/07
Posts: 28
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If you're worried about "abusive players causing the game to die" I'd say you're around 5 years too late.
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#23459 - 02/22/10 04:26 PM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: vinylrake]
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babychesty
Crossed Axes
Registered: 02/05/09
Posts: 103
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I have no idea why this conversation is being steered towards map makers vs supposedly "big bad skilled abusive players," but back to talking about newbies, the point still stands that this is a team game, and newbies often do not play as part of a team. I have never seen a newbie berated for playing terribly in a free for all, because obviously nobody cares if they kill newbies, albiet it may be a little boring. No, newbies are berated only by their teammates in a team game. This isn't rocket science, and I have no idea why some of you cannot put your head around this one yet.
It would be like if you were part of a team in any kind of team sport, and the new guy decides he just wants to do whatever he wants in the game, and ignore the rest of the team. Not only does he play selfishly (doesn't listen to orders), he has little to no knowledge/talent of the game (pretty much suicides), and sometimes even whines about not getting the ball more often (getting more units.)Your team loses games, it ruins your team's fun (the point of playing is to try to win after all, remember?), so your entire team wasted their time playing a game that they were supposed to get enjoyment out of. Any sane person's natural response to this, is to get pissed.
Some people are naturally jerks on the internet, that isn't supernatural. To think that myth has some kind of crazy high concentration of evil people in comparison to anywhere else you see in the world, is just plain stupid. No, its just simply being motivated from people getting pissed off after being put in the aforementioned situation, and that is where most of this supposed "abusive" behavior is motivated from.
What I look for in a newbie that will save them from me berating them, is the following:
1. make it well known to everyone that you are a newbie so there are no surprises (most people will assume you are one anyway, but it is still better if you just come out with it openly yourself.)
2. do not complain about the units given to you, even if it is very few, or not what you wanted.
3. Ask the captain where you should go, and listen to what he says strictly. Follow orders, especially by the captain; that is the whole point of being a team member on a team.
4. Play conservatively. You do not know enough to go Rambo in the game on your own. A good exercise to practice is to focus on keeping your units alive as long as possible. It will make you better.
5. Ask questions, everything and anything that comes to your mind, as soon as it comes to your mind, no matter how stupid they may be. Listen attentively. Asking a question will accomplish the following for you.
A) It will further establish letting everyone know how new you are, so they know what to expect from you, and there will be no surprises.
B) It will get you on everyone's good side because it establishes that you are trying to learn the game, which everyone can respect.
And C) Make you better at the game
Now this may all sound very boring, but if you want to play in the more competitive myth TEAM games, then these the are the kind of guidelines you should follow, and these rules could apply to learning ANY new team computer game.
So do not complain, if you do well, you will be given gradually larger roles. Realize that better players probably know what you are capable of handling better than you do, or what is most beneficial to the team.
If you want to just [blam] around and play however you want, then stick to playing free for all, 1v1, or try to find a group of people that do not care how you play that will tolerate you on their team. Otherwise, expect some flak from your teammates if you do not put forth the very little and simple aforementioned effort.
Edited by babychesty (02/22/10 04:50 PM)
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#23460 - 02/22/10 05:17 PM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: babychesty]
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vinylrake
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Axes with Shield
Registered: 03/31/07
Posts: 958
Loc: East Coast USA
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the conversation got steered this way because sonix actually said (with a straight face) that "abusive" players are the ones who make the maps we like to play.
i am still waiting for the the top 10 maps we all "love to play" created by abusive players.
as for the rest of your post, overall it's good advice and one all newbies should take to heart.
BUT, as someone who's been playing myth way too long for how little skillz i have, whenever i play team games with strangers (non-friends) i ALWAYS ask for the plan or if the cap has any directions for me. unfortunately WAY more often than not when i ask, the response is "win", "don't die", etc. That's funny maybe the first 500 times i heard it, but while i am not a great player on my own i am a decent team player. i will follow orders and can be counted on to do my best to accomplish any goals the cap assigns me. and given a specific mission or goal and the units to accomplish it, i do ok, so it's frustrating to not have any idea what the captain or other players expect and then to get yelled at because i am not reading their minds and doing what they want or what they think is the 'right' thing to do.
really. not. fun. and no, it doesn't hurt my feelings, i don't log off and sulk for the rest of the day, i have a much thicker skin than that, but what i like about team games is feeling like i am working toward a common goal, assisting my team, etc - it's not really that fun to just be told 'win' (no, really?) and then have the captain (or other players) be jerks when i do something that doesn't match their narrowminded idea of how to win.
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#23462 - 02/22/10 08:52 PM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: Sonixboom]
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babychesty
Crossed Axes
Registered: 02/05/09
Posts: 103
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In all of the remaining myth players, there are only a handful of truly good captains, so it is not surprising that almost all of the games you play consist of a captain who does not issue orders or a team that generally has no idea what it is doing.
That doesn't mean it is not important.
If the captain has no plan for you, then of course there is not much teamwork going on, and there is not a whole lot you can do about it. If you do not enjoy playing these kinds of games, then I suggest you learn to become a good captain yourself, which is the same reason why the last few great myth captains have arisen to their level of expertise today.
I will tell you though, that my number one pet peeve is someone that does not follow the simple orders I prescribe for them in planning time, and it is a sure fire way to get on my bad side. Why is this so infuriating? Well good strategy requires everyone to work together doing exactly their job. If one person doesn't follow orders and do their job, then you might as well throw the whole strategy for the entire team right out the window. Either everyone all works together or everyone doesn't. Also, it is not like it requires any ability, skill, talent, or even knowledge about the game, it only requires you to understand simple English. Not following orders is a quick ticket to getting your units taken when I am captain.
Words to the wise.
Edited by babychesty (02/22/10 08:59 PM)
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#23470 - 02/23/10 01:10 AM
Re: Abusive players scare newbies off...
[Re: vinylrake]
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taint
| | I thralling hate blade |
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Registered: 03/31/07
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...anything ever made by clem. ahahaha.... good one! But "abrasive" isn't the same as "abusive". clem seemed to have conflicts with a lot of people, or at least had a fairly large anti-fan base, but I was talking (the topic of this thread) about players who are abusive to other players, not just people who have 'abusive' (or more accurately described as 'abrasive') personalities. was clem known to berate people and call them racial slurs when they did something wrong or didn't use the 'proper' formation for their bre-Unor hordes or insult someone's sister because the player played in some way clem didn't approve of? Or hold grudges and start trashtalking someone in the game lobby for a game from 2 weeks ago? That's the kind of 'abuse' being talked about. so the question stands: What are the top 10 maps 'everyone LOVES to play' that were created by abusive PLAYERS?
there are many different kinds of abuse 
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