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#21253 - 08/27/09 07:19 PM Marathon and Halo
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There are obvious relations between the two games, anyone have any notable discoveries?
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#21405 - 09/06/09 11:51 AM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Packnight501]
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yeah like the ar(assult rifle) in halo is almost the same in marathon
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#21541 - 09/15/09 04:32 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Packnight501]
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In Halo 3 you have the "Marathon Man" achievement were you have to collect activate all the terminals throughout the campaign. The terminals tell a story much like the terminals in Marathon Durandal.
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#21674 - 10/03/09 04:26 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Packnight501]
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Halo is the prequel to Marathon storyline wise
if you follow through the storyline through the entire marathon series it will talk about these little unimportant things that probably created halo. For example, in one of the terminals it talks about the flood and refers to them as "The parasite" it also talked about the Elites and how the phor wiped them out. it also talks about the last remaining covenant as "a group of many aliens that fought with the humans"
hehehehe the covenant thought they could take the phor.
though i can't recall any references to the rings
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#21676 - 10/03/09 04:47 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Slade1984]
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 Originally Posted By: Slade1984
Halo is the prequel to Marathon storyline wise

This is 100% untrue.

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#21677 - 10/03/09 04:57 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: treellama]
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how so?
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#21678 - 10/03/09 05:08 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Slade1984]
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There have been tons of threads over the years; here is one of the more recent:

http://forums.bungie.org/story/?read=45465

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#21679 - 10/03/09 05:39 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Packnight501]
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"There are numerous similarities between Marathon and Halo. Tons of them. But there are nearly as many inconsistencies throughout."

are you kidding me? i read the article the game Marathon itself talks about the master chief (spartan-117/John/ whatever the hell you call him)he was the in the spartan 2 series of spartans and landed on the home planet of the phor. After that no one knows what happens to him but it can be assumed he's dead. than came the spartan 3's which didn't turn out so well and then your character in the marathon series is part of the spartan 4's.
even though Halo wasn't released yet, Marathon talks about all of the events in halo, with the exception of the rings (which i admit is kinda sketchy) the game talks about the covenant, the elites and the flood.
what i think happened is bungie was looking for a new idea for a game when the xbox came out and decided "hey lets make a game based off these neat little facts from Marathon" i don't think the halo series was planned out from the start as much, merely a sudden spark of creativity.


Edited by Slade1984 (10/03/09 05:40 PM)
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#21680 - 10/03/09 05:47 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Slade1984]
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 Originally Posted By: Slade1984
i read the article the game Marathon itself talks about the master chief (spartan-117/John/ whatever the hell you call him)he was the in the spartan 2 series of spartans and landed on the home planet of the phor. After that no one knows what happens to him but it can be assumed he's dead. than came the spartan 3's which didn't turn out so well and then your character in the marathon series is part of the spartan 4's.
even though Halo wasn't released yet, Marathon talks about all of the events in halo, with the exception of the rings (which i admit is kinda sketchy) the game talks about the covenant, the elites and the flood.

Not one of those things is mentioned in Marathon. You better make sure you're playing the right game!

From now on, post level/terminal references if you want to be taken seriously.

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i don't think the halo series was planned out from the start as much, merely a sudden spark of creativity.

Halo was originally going to be set in the Marathon universe (as an RTS!), but they changed that way before the game came out. That's pretty common knowledge.

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#22175 - 11/13/09 12:56 AM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Slade1984]
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Yeah, sorry Slade, but I don't know where you're getting your facts from. No direct references are made to the Master Chief (Or John, or Spartan-117, or any variation thereof).

Marathon is certainly a spiritual ancestor of Halo, but the two universes don't tie into one another directly. For example, it's alluded to in the game that the Battleroids developed during the war between Icarus and Thermopylae were developed using possibly Jjaro technology, all the way back in 2194. The Spartan II's were developed shortly during the war with the covenant, which in the game is in the year 2552. Spartan-117 is a Mjolnir Mark IV in the Halo universe, which are the same type of Cyborg troops that helped defend the colony Tau Ceti from the Pfhor attack wave.

If there were really a big tie-in with each other, there would have to be a big hullaballoo with the Marathon, since it would have been launched only a few decades short of the war and be the size of Mars's moon Deimos (it was made from it, after all). However, nothing's referenced.

I don't know how John could have lived for two hundred years, and then apparently survived in fit enough shape to invade the Pfhor homeworld (?). I don't remember any references to the flood, but there were certainly many references to other races that stood against the Pfhor - the S'pht, the Nar, the Jjaro (extant races or otherwise), but nothing explicitly mentioning elites or covenant?

But hey, anyway, if we're talking similarities, there are Marathon logos on both the side of the Pillar of Autumn, and on the chest of Captain Keyes.
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#22773 - 12/23/09 03:19 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Packnight501]
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ok ok ok I hate to contradict but I just finished the story of marathon yesterday, I have to say I got several references to halo. This biggest thing I found is the reference to the Spartans. Because people want proof I am copying direct text from one of the final screens in the game, I got it from this site: http://marathon.bungie.org/story/

Heres the quote:

There is surprisingly good news planetside: nine military Mjolnir
Mark IV cyborgs were covertly living among the
colonists, and acting together they were able to
single-handedly turn back the latter stages of the Pfhor
assault. Casualties on the colony were nowhere near as high
as those we experienced here on the Marathon.

I am disturbed by how easily the cyborgs were secretly
assimilated into our midst, and believe that this event
predates the Marathon's launch from Mars three hundred years ago.
Although the results were unquestionably for the best,
their presence on the Marathon could only have been to further
wicked ends. I'm certain the real answer lies somewhere in
the tumultuous, back-stabbing politics of Sol during the early
twenty-fourth century.

That's in the last level, Ingue Ferroque. The other reference I'd like to point out is the one that Tycho makes in the level, Beware of Low-Flying Defense Drones...

Heres that quote:
Thank heaven, the ceremony is over. The UESC president came
aboard Marathon and gave a speech. Short, but to the point.
He was surrounded by his 'bodyguards'. How ironic. "This, the
grandest technological achievement of all of mankind..."

Had he only known that it carried also all of the destructive
knowledge of mankind. Ten cyborgs.

I'll be glad to be put in stasis for the next three hundred
years. Marathon was the only good idea that the UESC has had
in a long time.

Okay so if there were ten cyborgs(apparently mjolnir soldiers) and nine were planet side and one was one the marathon(most likely you if you play infinity) I think we can make a decent supposition that marathon is in fact a prequel to halo. If if their not directly related, if you STILL want more evidence, go check out that site up on top, the story one, they cross reference a ton of things.

well thats all I have to say, sorry for the length
cheers
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#22801 - 12/25/09 10:03 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Spunky_fish]
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What?

Mjolnir is just a name the two games share, it doesn't set them in the same universe. They're not even the same thing in both games, Mjolnir is the name of the cyborg itself in Marathon, and the name of the armor in Halo.

Try again.

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#23043 - 01/18/10 01:20 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: treellama]
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Not trying to prove anything, just pointing out a similarity. The beginning levels of marathon 1 and halo 3 are both called landing
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#23104 - 01/22/10 01:09 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Packnight501]
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i will throw in my 2 cents

first off marathon is what halo should have been but 10 years ago bungie didnt have the technology or the money to make it that way

so it went on and on and then they got better funding and better computers to make crap with and halo was born from the foundation that was built from the pillar are marathon

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#23110 - 01/23/10 04:21 AM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Packnight501]
Rolyat137 Offline
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Registered: 01/23/10
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Well if you beat halo 3's campaign on legendary, after the clip of chief getting into the freezing thing and his funeral and all that, it shows the broken piece of ship that the chief is on, floating towards marathon.

And the security armor variant is the same armor as the guy in marathon.

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#23136 - 01/26/10 03:52 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Rolyat137]
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 Originally Posted By: Rolyat137
Well if you beat halo 3's campaign on legendary, after the clip of chief getting into the freezing thing and his funeral and all that, it shows the broken piece of ship that the chief is on, floating towards marathon.
Ewww. Please. Don't litter Mariusnet with theories on what that planet could be. You're reminding me of the Halo 3 forum. *Shudders*
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#23190 - 01/29/10 10:48 PM Re: Marathon and Halo [Re: Packnight501]
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jesus, i make a theory and all this happens, i feel like a [blam], i do remember a terminal that made a reference to the flood and the covenant. barely but it did. however i can't provide any real evidence so thats why i'm playing durandal over again to find that terminal.
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