I mean seriously, you think orderless, maggie, cruniac, and db equaled those players? congrats.. at your barely win.

Not Cadre's fault you recruited them.

I'm just sick of hearing cadre brag about that victory...

I don't remember who said it on cadre, but I still remember watching the film and someone on cadre saying "I'll try and stall fats swamps" and then 2 seconds later "nevermind it's just Death Bastard." lol.

I'm not bragging about anything.

wwii :((((

reich was just a wwii order that dominated by pooling the best players. not that its an insult but yea, they were the top "statistically" but moral victory goes to those guys that duked it out against equally strong orders in 64 man tournaments.

I agree.

I think (in no particular order) duelists, reich, and cadre were the top ww2 orders of myth. duelists (barely existed in the "bungie era,") which most of your argument lies, but in the playmyth era, was filled with highly skilled players and often lead in order points. Yet, still played reichs top players and won, a lot.

this is hands down the dumbest thing i have ever read. Reich and Iconoclasts were both ww2 clans... calling them the best order to ever play myth is like calling the winner of the 100 yard dash at the special olympic "the world's greatest athlete". my point: ww2 is not myth 2, please kick yourself repeatedly in the nuts.

ww2 is a joke... any good regger can get into ww2 and be better than most of you within a short period of time. I can count how many times i've played ww2 within the last few years on one hand and can probably give any of you a run for your money. Anyone can run around with ONE unit and click, taunt, space, taunt, click, yada yada. Learn to master these moves with 20+ units at a time then play some real myth, nuubz.

A general reminder:

Profanity, even asterisked profanity, is not allowed on mnet.

[quote=mfats]I agree those three orders were all top forces in the Myth gaming past. But using your own logic against you..during the playmyth era..most of our elite players were also gone...steve, unk, bomber, Blizz, Lucifer, Uppity, and even Zombie no longer played the game. Not to mention...during the playmyth era Orbit, Spyder, heinz and even myself took a break from the game for a generous period of time. With that in mind..while reich still had a very skilled line up...pm.net's line up of skilled Mythers was in no way shape of form compareable to the type of skilled lineup REICH had on Bungie.net. That being said...I would DEFINATELY take reichs top lineup vs anyone elses. But my lineup consists of elements you are not taking into account. We had power players that never ventured into PlayMyth or Marius.

But on a note I think we'll all agree with..there are so many contributing factors to winning a game..or a collective group of skill working together, or internet connection...ect that you can never REALLY measure properly who was better when.

I can only argue with what I know. Before 2001, I had dialup, so playing ww2 was impossible for me. And probably would agree, with reichs bungie resume, they probably are the best order. But I think reichs vs duelists order match record on playmyth, duelists had the better record. Not just on the leader board, but against each other. And I remembered playing a lot of games vs you, steve, unknown, shaede, spyder, heinz, blizz. The only person you listed I don't remember playing much is lucifer. I know a lot of them took breaks, but so did everyone. So if you're argument is you had less time to whore the order leader board, then I don't think that's a legitimate argument. I never remember a reich-free playmyth era. We OM a lot, and we won a lot. Also in PM era, more people had faster connections, better computers, less lag. I'm not necessarily saying that everything I said deserves duelists the crown of best order, I just making it clear we were pretty awesome. And our best, could easily take on your best, and win.

I had a 150 mhz pentium with 32 mb of ram and a 4 mb graphics card along with dial up AOL and i owned on it back in the bungie.net time. lowest rank #13 i was never celeste without cheating but #13 for that hookup is pretty impresive.